Three years ago, New York Times bestselling author of Present Over Perfect, Shauna Niequist, her husband and two sons, all lifelong Midwesterners, left the Midwest and moved into an 835 sq ft apartment in Manhattan. What started as a family mantra, “I guess I haven’t learned that yet,” whenever city life surprised them, the phrase gave Shauna room to exhale and the freedom to relearn how life could be. Now, in her new book, I Guess I Haven’t Learned That Yet: Discovering New Ways of Living When the Old Ways Stop Working, Niequist is joined by Today show co-anchor and NBC News Chief Legal correspondent Savannah Guthrie and reflects on creating a quieter, deeper life, on letting go, learning to be a beginner again and the magic of saying ‘I Guess I Haven’t Learned That Yet’ telling us the same things she told her sons, “Oh darlings, you’re not dumb – you’re new. We’re all new. And we’re all not failing.” It’s all about the magic of saying “I don’t know” and how she learned to keep going, living lightly and find healing in the face of major life transitions, chronic health issues and a global pandemic.